that of castro in cuba, or kim jong-un in north korea. but the big difference is we have economic relations with venezuela. explain that sort of, i guess that sort of odd dynamic. >> well, the dynamic, chuck, is that chavez was basically pragmatic in his relationship with the u.s. venezuela's our fourth largest oil supplier, they're members of opec, venezuela is like their political -- oil is like their political weapon, but whenever it was with the u.s., they never used it. and chavez, it's all the citgo stations in the u.s. chavez never used it. however, the last 14 years the relationship has been very frigid, and i think it is an opportunity for us to step in in a new relationship with venezuela. it's an important oil-producing country. there's going to be an election there. the opposition candidate is pro-u.s. maduro, the vice president is not pro-u.s., but i think is going to be more pragmatic with chavez. but in the region, i think we have an opportunity to make inroads in the region because several countries had started to follow chavez against the u.s. in the region. >> right. that'